Sunday, 10 April 2016

More thoughts, experiments and investigations on curcumin in vivo

Following on from my last post, I have been questioning myself more about optimal dosages for supplementation of curcumin, particularly in light of such studies whereby 'high' amounts of the compound are tolerated with minimal to zero toxicity reported. One particular study caught my eye.

'A dose escalation study was conducted to determine the maximum tolerated dose and safety of a single dose of standardized powder extract, uniformly milled curcumin (C3 Complex™, Sabinsa Corporation). Healthy volunteers were administered escalating doses from 500 to 12,000 mg.'

12,000 mg is a lot considering I take 1,500 mg per day which I deem to be the optimal therapeutic dose for me as an individual. There may be situations by which higher doses may be more beneficial though I believe the dosages I maintain at the moment should be adequate for my current aims. 

The results of the study revealed some thought provoking findings though I dd wonder about the 17 participants that did experience issues:

'Seven of twenty-four subjects (30%) experienced only minimal toxicity that did not appear to be dose-related. No curcumin was detected in the serum of subjects administered 500, 1,000, 2,000, 4,000, 6,000 or 8,000 mg. Low levels of curcumin were detected in two subjects administered 10,000 or 12,000 mg.'

The study goes on to say that 'no toxicity appeared to be dose related', indicating that of those 17 participants there may have been extraneous factors or sensitivities to the curcuminoid formulation regardless of the dose ingested. I also believe that because the trial was looking at a single, oral dose of this formulation, it may have been enough to explain some of these mild, adverse effects. Nevertheless, they concluded that ,'The tolerance of curcumin in high single oral doses appears to be excellent.' 

Given the relatively very high doses used in the study on the whole and the fact that only mild toxicity was reported, I would say that this conclusion appears to be valid but I would like to see more studies using high such high doses for comparison in order to truly validate these findings. 

Another aspect of curcumin I have been looking into is a hypothesis I had about curcumin being beneficial to combat neurodegenerative disease, in part by acting as a chelating agent.

It is of upmost importance to consider this as we see that in neurodenerative diseases we typically see elevated levels of copper and iron in the brain 


Iron (Fe) and copper (Cu) are essential to neuronal function; excess or deficiency of either is known to underlie the pathoetiology of several commonly known neurodegenerative disorders. This delicate balance of Fe and Cu in the central milieu is maintained by the brain barrier systems, i.e., the blood–brain barrier (BBB) between the blood and brain interstitial fluid and the blood–cerebrospinal fluid barrier (BCB) between the blood and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF).

It is worth noting, as I referenced in my magnesium and epilepsy report, that a hallmark of many neurodenerative diseases is an impaired blood brain barrier (a so-called 'leaky brain'), which would make these homeostatic interventions more necessary. A suitable analogy may be that it is like keeping an open wound clean to avoid infection. We don't want an accumulation of metals in the brain as it would allow the disease to progress.

...and with conditions like epilepsy we know excess (or insufficient levels of) copper acts as a seizure trigger.

Keeping all this in mind I then began to wonder if the same benefits of curcumin as a chelating agent could apply to mercury toxicity. I eat a lot of fish so I have been contemplating this benefit/risk conundrum for some time. Interestingly I then found this rodent study-;jsessionid=0447181CD798D7026E04D05B1B9A485F.f03t01?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage

The results indicated that- 'Curcumin treatment (80 mg kg−1 b.w. daily for 3 days, orally) was found to have a protective effect on mercury-induced oxidative stress parameters, namely, lipid peroxidation and glutathione levels and superoxide dismutase, glutathione peroxidase and catalase activities in the liver, kidney and brain.'
There is no requirement for mercury of course (its all bad!) so this would be welcome news if humans can benefit in a similar fashion. Effective doses would need to be established of course. The European Laboratory of Nutrients (ELN), do Toxic Elements tests that would enable me to see what is going on in my body and could enable me to be more thorough with my own experiments. They can be found here and it would probably be a great idea to have these tests for those who experience brain fog or have a history of neurodegenerative disease in their family.

It is a difficult balance at times however the problem is typically too much rather than too little. 

This may be a useful supplement to take for patients who have a gadolinium based contrast agent when having MRI scans in light of recent evidence. 

'Newer reports have emerged regarding the accumulation of gadolinium in various tissues of patients who do not have renal impairment, including bone, brain, and kidneys.'

It would be interesting to see if patients who have fewer MRIs with the contrast for the same stage of disease live longer than those who have the imaging procedure more frequently. I suspect we would never see a study like that due to reasons of efficacy (ironic perhaps in light of this study), however it would be interesting to see if there is any correlation. I know correlation does not always equal causation but there are probably ways you could qualitatively measure this alongside subjective observational findings.


  1. Hi Andrew! I enjoy reading your blog, as always. Love the autophagy! On the subject of heavy metal / toxicity, let me share that I went this week for a check-up at the bioresonance clinic, after having added fish and fish liver for a few months now to my diet. I did have mercury in my blood now, and as I had brought samples of my food to the check-up, it was easy to see that it was the plain cod liver that was feeding me the mercury. The sardines were clear, I feel happy about that as they are my favourite fish. The smoked cod liver (fished in Denmark) had less mercury than the plain one (fished in Iceland). Go figure! I would have guessed the opposite to be likely. Of course it could have been just these samples, and of course I will not test all the food I eat. I was a bit surpriced to hear that my practitioner recommends not eating livers full stop, be it from fish, birds, or land animals, as the toxins from that animals body are surely left in the liver tissue. That makes sense in a way, and I'll go without liver from now on. She recommendes chlorella instead, for the nutrients.

    I got treatment for the mercury, and also, my metabolism of fats was "blocked", so that got worked on as well. A year ago it was carbs that I couldn't metabolize, and I got help with that, right before I found out about zero carb, actually. If you should want to take out some of the guesswork, I encourage you to bring yourself and your favourite foods and supplements to a bioresonance clinic ( and let them have some work done. Did you know that in Turkish Universities, bioresonance is available as a course for medicine students?
    Kind regards,
    Ruth (Susanna)

  2. Thanks Ruth!

    That's interesting, I'm so glad you have had this diagnosed and resolved, its shocking how many people must be unaware of this. I added chlorella and spirulina recently but I still need to quantify how I am doing with all these new additions so I look forward to my results and my consultation with a great functional medicine practitioner I know on Harley Street. The cost is the main frustration for me with that but it is my health of course.

    I have filled out some forms to order some tests from European Labs but i will have a look at asyra to compare, thank you. I didn't know that about Turkish Universities, it sounds like they are a step up from us generally speaking. I wish it was included in my studies.

    Thank you for your information and I wish you the best of health. I always get so much from everything you have shared with me and that wisdom helps me to learn more about how I can help myself and hopefully others.

  3. Dear Andrew, thank you for your kind words. I enjoy your blog as much as ever, and I am still searching for what works for me, no real wisdom yet as far as I know myself. I enjoy life and I love myself and other people, and that's about it. :)